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 Post subject: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:33 am 
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This idea has been on my backburner for quite some time, but now I feel like trying to flesh it out.

Commander:
Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh//Chandra, Roaring Flame

Chandra:
1 x Chandra, Pyromaster
1 x Chandra, the Firebrand
1 x Chandra, Torch of Defiance

1 x Chandra Nalaar Japanese JvC version

1 x Chandra Ablaze
1 x Chandra, Flamecaller
1 x Chandra, Pyrogenius

Named Spells:
1 x Chandra's Pyrohelix
1 x Oath of Chandra

1 x Chandra's Phoenix
1 x Chandra's Spitfire

1 x Chandra's Outrage
1 x Chandra's Revolution

1 x Chandra's Fury
1 x Chandra's Ignition

Theme Spells:
1 x Fiery Impulse
1 x Seal of Fire JvC Duel Deck version

1 x Cathartic Reunion
1 x Incendiary Flow
1 x Incinerate JvC Duel Deck version
1 x Young Pyromancer

1 x Act on Impulse
1 x Collective Defiance
1 x Devour in Flames
1 x Exquisite Firecraft
1 x Flames of the Firebrand
1 x Hungry Flames
1 x Renegade Firebrand

1 x Flame Lash
1 x Furious Reprisal

1 x Liberating Combustion
1 x Pyromancer's Gauntlet
1 x Pyromancer's Goggles

1 x Inferno Jet

1 x Spreading Flames

1 x By Force
1 x Ravaging Blaze

1 x Fall of the Titans


Other Lore Spells:


Other Synergistic Spells:


Other Burn Spells:


Anti-Chandra:


Other:


That's everything I could find that I can think of right now. Please feel free to mention anything you think I may have missed. :)


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 Post subject: Re: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:12 am 
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Time to break these ideas (and plenty more) down into the four crucial categories to see what I need to supplement.

cardflow


mana ramp


spot removal


board wipes



Other thoughts
1 x Uba Mask


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 Post subject: Re: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:44 pm 
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I know I should REALLY wait until Dominaria is officially fully spoiled in order to get more Jaya awesomeness, but I want to keep taking steps forward so here's a pass at the four categories pointing out my favorites

cardflow


mana ramp


spot removal


board wipes


Others


There is more to be added to others, but I feel like I cut a lot in the process.
Edit: Added the stuff to "others" that I had started to go through last time.


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 Post subject: Re: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:50 pm 
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Cutting down further. I'd like to focus as much on strictly Chandra stuff as possible and I really need to not get sidetracked from what this deck is trying to do no matter how cool some of these other cards are (though usefulness may get some off-theme stuff in). I'm gonna let the lands slide a little though because mono red in EDH needs to not hamper itself too much.

Spot removal needs to be culled though because Chandra just has too many burn spells.

cardflow


mana ramp


spot removal


board wipes


Others



In Deck format:

Commander: 1 Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh/Chandra, Roaring Flame

Creatures (can bock) (15)
1 x Abbot of Keral Keep
1 x Heart of Kiran
1 x Young Pyromancer

1 x Chandra's Phoenix
1 x Chandra's Spitfire
1 x Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
1 x Pia Nalaar
1 x Regathan Firecat
1 x Renegade Firebrand

1 x Obsidian Fireheart
1 x Pia and Kiran Nalaar

1 x Embermaw Hellion
1 x Fire Servant

1 x Angrath's Marauders

1 x Magmatic Force

Non-Creatures (57)
1 x Fiery Impulse
1 x Quest for Pure Flame
1 x Seal of Fire

1 x Cathartic Reunion
1 x Expedition Map
1 x Incendiary Flow
1 x Incinerate
1 x Isochron Scepter
1 x Fire Diamond
1 x Oath of Chandra
1 x Ruby Medallion
1 x Smuggler's Copter

1 x Act on Impulse
1 x Collective Defiance
1 x Exquisite Firecraft
1 x Extraplanar Lens
1 x Flames of the Firebrand
1 x Reiterate
1 x Repercussion
1 x Rings of Brighthearth
1 x Sulfuric Vortex
1 x Volt Charge

1 x Chain Reaction
1 x Chandra, Pyromaster
1 x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 x Chandra's Outrage
1 x Craterize
1 x Fateful Showdown
1 x Flame Lash
1 x Furnace of Rath
1 x Koth of the Hammer
1 x Leyline of Punishment
1 x Primal Amulet
1 x Pyrohemia
1 x Pyromancer's Assault
1 x Pyromancer's Swath
1 x The Chain Veil
1 x Wild Ricochet

1 x Aggravated Assault
1 x Chandra Nalaar
1 x Chandra's Ignition
1 x Dictate of the Twin Gods
1 x Liberating Combustion
1 x Mana Geyser
1 x Pyromancer's Gauntlet
1 x Pyromancer's Goggles
1 x Reforge the Soul

1 x Chandra Ablaze
1 x Chandra, Flamecaller
1 x Chandra, Pyrogenius
1 x Sunbird's Invocation

1 x Inferno
1 x Volcanic Vision

1 x Lava Burst
1 x Ravaging Blaze

1 x Fall of the Titans
1 x Release the Gremlins


Land (38):
1 x Forgotten Cave
1 x Myriad Landscape
1 x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 x Temple of the False God
1 x Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 x Arcane Lighthouse
1 x Flamekin Village
1 x Hanweir Battlements
1 x Hall of the Bandit Lord
29 x Mountain



Total count: 110 cards

It's actually not too terribly oversized at the moment and there are definitely some easy cuts from this point (Regathan Firecat and Isochron Scepter are the first two that spring to mind). Does anybody have any ideas for cards that might deter opponents from attacking my Planeswalkers? I suspect I'm still weak in that area. I'm not sold on what I've come up with:
deterrents?


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 Post subject: Re: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:59 pm 
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My buddy has a Jace tribal deck. He allows anything with Jace in the art, name, flavor text. Luckily they printed Jace Islands in Ixalan...

(PS The deck is terrible)

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 Post subject: Re: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:29 am 
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Cool!

I intend to bend my "Chandraness" requirement to make my deck a little more playable. That is to say: play some non-chandra themed cards to make the Chandra themed cards that I do have play better.
That said, this will probably be one of my lower powered decks, which is actually kind of what I'm aiming for right now. I can swing with the big boys in my playgroup, but I want to see how low I can go without being utterly useless so that I have something to play with some of our less powerful group members.

Looking at my current list I actually have a couple deterrents already, just not many.
Young Pyromancer
Pyrohemia<- though this admittedly may be more of a threat than a deterrent
Heart of Kiran
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Seal of Fire

And among cards that I had originally dismissed, if I'm looking at them from the deterrent angle I may want to reconsider them.
Sphinx-Bone Wand <- may also be more threat than deterrent, but it feels wrong to leave this out of in instant/sorcery based deck
Vance's Blasting Cannons/Spitfire Bastion

More Possible Deterrents, plus the ones I like from my previous post


Other Rambling Thoughts


OK I think that's it for now


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 Post subject: Re: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:26 pm 
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Alright Dominaria is up on Gatherer. Time to continue the build!!
Prep Steps for this iteration

Chandra, Iteration 2 (even more oversized):

Commander: 1 Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh//Chandra, Roaring Flame

Creatures (can block) (26)
1 x Dragonmaster Outcast
1 x Soul-Scar Mage

1 x Abbot of Keral Keep
1 x Harsh Mentor
1 x Heart of Kiran
1 x Young Pyromancer

1 x Chandra's Phoenix
1 x Chandra's Spitfire
1 x Crater Elemental
1 x Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
1 x Nuisance Engine
1 x Pia Nalaar
1 x Renegade Firebrand

1 x Obsidian Fireheart
1 x Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1 x Rekindling Phoenix

1 x Embermaw Hellion
1 x Fire Servant
1 x Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
1 x Neheb, the Eternal
1 x Shard Phoenix

1 x Charmbreaker Devils
1 x Etali, Primal Storm

1 x Angrath's Marauders
1 x Skyline Despot

1 x Magmatic Force

Non-Creatures (72)
1 x Fiery Impulse
1 x Quest for Pure Flame
1 x Seal of Fire

1 x Cathartic Reunion
1 x Expedition Map
1 x Fire Diamond
1 x Incendiary Flow
1 x Incinerate
1 x Mizzium Mortars
1 x Oath of Chandra
1 x Ruby Medallion
1 x Smuggler's Copter

1 x Act on Impulse
1 x Arcbond
1 x Collective Defiance
1 x Exquisite Firecraft
1 x Extraplanar Lens
1 x Fight with Fire
1 x Flames of the Firebrand
1 x Glacial Crevasses
1 x Reiterate
1 x Repercussion
1 x Rings of Brighthearth
1 x Sulfuric Vortex
1 x Sunstone
1 x Thaumatic Compass//Spires of Orazca
1 x Volt Charge

1 x Chain Reaction
1 x Chandra, Pyromaster
1 x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 x Chandra's Outrage
1 x Craterize
1 x Flame Lash
1 x Furnace of Rath
1 x Koth of the Hammer
1 x Leyline of Punishment
1 x Primal Amulet//Primal Wellspring
1 x Pyrohemia
1 x Pyromancer's Swath
1 x The Chain Veil
1 x Vance's Blasting Cannons//Spitfire Bastion
1 x Wild Ricochet

1 x Aggravated Assault
1 x Chandra Nalaar
1 x Chandra's Ignition
1 x Chandra's Outburst
1 x Dictate of the Twin Gods
1 x Jaya Ballard
1 x Liberating Combustion
1 x Mana Geyser
1 x Mirari
1 x Pyromancer's Gauntlet
1 x Pyromancer's Goggles
1 x Reforge the Soul

1 x Caged Sun
1 x Chandra Ablaze
1 x Chandra, Bold Pyromancer
1 x Chandra, Flamecaller
1 x Chandra, Pyrogenius
1 x Sunbird's Invocation

1 x Inferno
1 x Sphinx-Bone Wand
1 x Star of Extinction
1 x Volcanic Vision

1 x Blasphemous Act

1 x Comet Storm
1 x Jaya's Immolating Inferno
1 x Lava Burst
1 x Ravaging Blaze
1 x Starstorm

1 x Fall of the Titans
1 x Release the Gremlins

Land (38):
1 x Forgotten Cave
1 x Myriad Landscape
1 x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 x Temple of the False God
1 x Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 x Arcane Lighthouse
1 x Flamekin Village
1 x Hanweir Battlements
1 x Hall of the Bandit Lord
29 x Snow-Covered Mountain


Total count: 147 cards

Hm...I added 37 cards.
Whoops.
Now comes the fun part. Cutting. XD

I'll crunch the number distributions later. That'll probably help.


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 Post subject: Re: [EDH] Chandra
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:03 pm 
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Stats for above post:

Creatures/NonCreatures/Total
1-2/3/5
2-4/9/13
3-7/15/22
4-3/16/19<-Blasphemous Act Here
5-5/12/17
6-2/6/8
7-2/4/6
8-1/0/1
x-0/6/6
xx-0/1/1

Average (ignoring X and XX)=3.92/3.91/3.91

That's a little high, but not too bad. Tells me that while I should focus on cutting higher cost cards I can cut some smaller stuff too.
Also should cut some Xs.

Card Category Distribution

Good heavens the spot removal is out of control.

Out: 26


26 down, 21 to go.

Blech, only cut 8 spot removal. Better than nothing I suppose.

New Distribution


Chandra, Iteration 3

Commander: 1 Chandra, Fire of Kaladesh//Chandra, Roaring Flame

Creatures (can block) (19)
1 x Dragonmaster Outcast
1 x Soul-Scar Mage

1 x Abbot of Keral Keep
1 x Heart of Kiran
1 x Young Pyromancer

1 x Chandra's Phoenix
1 x Crater Elemental
1 x Jaya Ballard, Task Mage

1 x Obsidian Fireheart
1 x Pia and Kiran Nalaar
1 x Rekindling Phoenix

1 x Embermaw Hellion
1 x Fire Servant
1 x Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
1 x Neheb, the Eternal

1 x Charmbreaker Devils

1 x Angrath's Marauders
1 x Skyline Despot

1 x Magmatic Force

Non-Creatures (53)
1 x Fiery Impulse
1 x Quest for Pure Flame
1 x Seal of Fire

1 x Cathartic Reunion
1 x Expedition Map
1 x Fire Diamond
1 x Incendiary Flow
1 x Incinerate
1 x Mizzium Mortars
1 x Ruby Medallion

1 x Exquisite Firecraft
1 x Extraplanar Lens
1 x Fight with Fire
1 x Glacial Crevasses
1 x Reiterate
1 x Rings of Brighthearth
1 x Sulfuric Vortex
1 x Thaumatic Compass//Spires of Orazca
1 x Volt Charge

1 x Chain Reaction
1 x Chandra, Pyromaster
1 x Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 x Chandra's Outrage
1 x Craterize
1 x Furnace of Rath
1 x Koth of the Hammer
1 x Leyline of Punishment
1 x Primal Amulet//Primal Wellspring
1 x Pyrohemia
1 x The Chain Veil
1 x Vance's Blasting Cannons//Spitfire Bastion

1 x Chandra Nalaar
1 x Chandra's Ignition
1 x Chandra's Outburst
1 x Dictate of the Twin Gods
1 x Jaya Ballard
1 x Liberating Combustion
1 x Mana Geyser
1 x Mirari
1 x Pyromancer's Gauntlet
1 x Pyromancer's Goggles

1 x Caged Sun
1 x Chandra Ablaze
1 x Chandra, Bold Pyromancer
1 x Chandra, Flamecaller
1 x Chandra, Pyrogenius
1 x Sunbird's Invocation

1 x Inferno
1 x Volcanic Vision

1 x Blasphemous Act

1 x Comet Storm
1 x Jaya's Immolating Inferno

1 x Release the Gremlins

Land (38):
1 x Forgotten Cave
1 x Myriad Landscape
1 x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 x Temple of the False God
1 x Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 x Arcane Lighthouse
1 x Flamekin Village
1 x Hanweir Battlements
1 x Hall of the Bandit Lord
29 x Snow-Covered Mountain


Total count: 111

GOOD NEWS!!
I CAN'T COUNT!
As in, I added 10 cards to my count in the previous build when I shouldn't have. There were "only" 137 cards in that iteration.

Ironically enough, in my first iteration I forgot to count the Commander herself so I'm actually exactly back where I started in the first iteration in terms of card count.

Let's look at the stats now.

Creatures/NonCreatures/Total
1-2/3/5
2-3/7/10
3-3/9/12
4-3/13/16<-Blasphemous Act Here
5-4/10/14
6-1/6/7
7-2/2/4
8-1/0/1
x-0/2/2
xx-0/1/1

Average (ignoring X and XX)=4.05/3.92/3.96

OK, so the curve went up a hair, not as terribly as I suspected though so I'm happy.
Also, those X spells aren't normally cast for less than 4 or 5 so I figure I'm actually doing even a little better than shown here compared to the previous iteration.

Still hope to focus on higher casting cost cards for the last 11 cuts.

As always, any input is greatly appreciated! :D


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