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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:12 pm 
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I can think of situations where a bad early claim from scum can provide info for town, but I will concede that it is highly unlikely for those scenarios to happen, and any further discussion of the point will only serve as a distraction.

As I said, I will be traveling tomorrow, and won't be able to have much activity over the weekend. I need to go to bed within the hour. So I will claim in my next post, unless people are opposed to me skipping in the claim line.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:42 pm 
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I disagree Arrgh. As far as a DETHY game is concerned, an early claim from scum won't matter.

Consider if I were scum and my claim right now. Does it actually give you extra info? No, it doesn't. All you know is what I stated. You can't derive any additional information from my claim. The only one who can derive additional information from any claims is the scum and that is only because he knows who is what alignment. As town, we have the additional task of finding the scum while figuring out roles. Scum doesn't have any such additional task. The Pokescum need only find out what roles we are, and since he knows alignments that gives him an advantage.

Consider a different scenario where the scum player makes their claim first, but claims a town result on a player. Same as above.

In the strictest sense, when information is released won't matter to the scum since they'll obtain their advantage once the information is released be it later or earlier. Contrast that with town who literally needs the info in order to advance the town's game state knowledge. Everyone is going to claim eventually, and no matter what scum has to claim either a town or scum result in order to fit in. Whether scum claims first, somewhere in the middle, or last won't give an extra info.

If you've got a counterexample that showcases where town gains extra information from scum claiming, by all means present it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:09 pm 
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I'm going ahead and making mine. In full.

Target: Aaarrrgh, Result: Scum

No Miller: True, or Paranoid. Miller: Insane, or Naïve.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:44 pm 
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If three people claim the same target with the same result, one of those three people must be scum, inmediately clearing the remaining two players. That is the risk situation for scum. It is a small corner case, but it exists. But that is also the only case I have found, which is why I am more than willing to concede the point.

I targeted KoD and he showed scum.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:57 pm 
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That's not always true Arrgh. That situation was already obvious even in the game I played before. But what you're not taking into account is the targets. If, for example, the insane cop targets town, the real cop targets scum, and the paranoid cop targets a different town player, you get three scum results. That is the situation we have now potentially, but I'll get to our situation later since it is too much atm.

Consider if the paranoid above targets the scum with the real cop. Still three results, but different conclusions can be drawn.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:02 pm 
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Sorry. I just read what you said fully. Same target for those revealing results. In that situation you are correct in that it narrows down who to look at.

Course if scum claiming first relies on a bunch of people picking the same target, but you noted that. So I got nothing on that.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:05 pm 
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So far we have:

KoD -> Zing: scum
Shock -> Arrgh: scum
Arrgh -> KoD: scum


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:53 pm 
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Add to that: Neo -> Zinger: ???

And for outhouses and giggles: Zinger -> ???: ???

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 12:10 am 
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So we already have 3 scum results? That means either one of us three is scum, or one of us is the sane cop and hit scum. If Zinger or Neo also comes out with a scum result, we might even be able to solve this today.

Also, why are you saying that a scum result means you're sane or paranoid? It most likely means you're paranoid or insane. The insane cop gets a scum result 3/4 of time, the sane gets it 1/4.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:34 am 
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I posted my result - Zinger was town.
Can't wait to see what Zinger comes back with. It's already a telling picture.

For example, assuming no miller time, and assuming that I'm scum...
Shock has to be either insane or Paranoid.
KoD has to be either insane or paranoid.
Argh has to be either insane or paranoid.

Clearly, that's an impossible scenario.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:38 am 
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@Arrgh:

Or insane. One of those three due to a scum result.

We still have to take the Miller time ability into account.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:11 am 
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Still waiting for Zinger's claim.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:04 am 
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73tGe3JE5IU

In the meantime will be sorting out possibilities.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:46 pm 
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Zinger? Zings? Zingman? 21st century Zinger?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:36 pm 
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Not the first time Zinger has been late to the party.


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I'm going to be stuck mobile posting for a bit until I fix my PC's issue with this monitor.


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Guess I'm always a cool kid then.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:48 pm 
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Issue was fixed.

Where for art thou Zing of Erz?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:56 am 
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NeoSilk wrote:
I posted my result - Zinger was town.
Can't wait to see what Zinger comes back with. It's already a telling picture.

For example, assuming no miller time, and assuming that I'm scum...
Shock has to be either insane or Paranoid.
KoD has to be either insane or paranoid.
Argh has to be either insane or paranoid.

Clearly, that's an impossible scenario.


I think you're cleared even if Miller Time was used. Because the only way for three cops to get the same result is if one of the cops with variable results hits scum, and none of us targeted you. So we are doing well for ourselves, we already have a confirmed townie!

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