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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:20 am 
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I targeted Zinger (of course) and got a scum result. So I'm paranoid. I know that Zinger is scum at this point, but have no proof and no time to read over the facts and build an argument, due to family stuff. I must admit that I'm surprised Zinger didn't kill Shockwave, but that's his problem.

vote: Zinger2099

I hope my continued absence won't cost town the game. Super sorry if it does, and I'll try to check in when I can to prevent it.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:24 am 
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I mean, if I were scum it's probably true that I'd kill KoD out of spite, regardless of what the correct play was.

Which I'm sure is exactly why you killed KoD, to try to frame me.

If I were scum why on earth would I not claim to have had a Town result yesterday when I claimed LAST? It doesn't make sense. Unless you think that I'm arrogant enough to try to pull Wifom over everyone's eyes DESPITE confirming both Neo and Shock as Town with my actions? I mean, I know I can be arrogant at times but for crying out loud you're suggesting I as scum would practically throw the game on the verdict of one big Bluff!

Actually, come to think of it...that is my style. Lol. Kudos for knowing me so well. :V I can only hope Neo and Shock see through your deception, you Wile E. Coyote bastard.

Out of respect for the fact that your personal issues prevents you from really building a case against me, I'll refrain from doing so against you as well.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:08 pm 
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These are the remaining possible roles given Neo is town and the naive cop, and I am town. (We'll ignore the miller time flip universe)

1 is Sane Cop
2 is Insane Cop
3 is Paranoid Cop
and 4 is Pokescum

Order of players is: Shock, KoD, Aaarrrgh, Zinger

1234
1243
1324
1342
1423
1432
2134
2143
2314
2341
2413
2431
3124
3142
3214
3241
3412
3421

We can start right off eliminating any results where KoD is scum.

1234
1243
1324
1342
2134
2143
2314
2341
3124
3142
3214
3241

Now eliminate any results that are false based on cop results. (Shock cops Aaarrrrgh as scum, KoD cops Zinger as scum, Aaarrrgh cops KoD as Scum, Zinger cops KoD as Scum). I can't cop Aaarrrgh as scum as sane cop if he isn't scum, leaving in the 1's.

1243
1342

In the 2's I can't cop him as scum (as insane cop) if he isn't town leaving in the 2's:

2134
2314

And that leaves all 3 results as I always would get a scum result leaving 8 results:

1243
1342
2134
2314
3124
3142
3214
3241

Now what isn't true for the others if they are town? Starting with KoD eliminate false results for him as sane (Zinger must be scum) and Insane (Zinger must be town):

1243
1342
2134
2314
3124
3241

Repeat for Aaarrrgh (Sane must cop scum!KoD and Insane town!KoD):

1243
1342
2134
3124
3241

And Zinger (Sane scum!KoD and insane town!KoD):

1243 (Not paranoid elimination)
1342 (Zinger can only be insane if town)
2134 (Aaarrrgh can only be Paranoid if town)
3124 (Not Insane elimination)

...ok, I messed something up somewhere, likely in my previous Day's posts. And if I did, wasted a Scherlock like aha moment.

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Notes added to final 4 possibilities after I realized my mistake and results were shown, but it still reads that either of the two remaining are possible, meaning I have a 50/50 chance of being either Sane or Insane... And a 50/50 between scum!Zing and scum!Aaarrrgh.

So we must assume KoD's result would have solved the game... And since we don't know if it would be town or scum... We're pretty much locked into a coin flip to prove.

Vote: Aaarrrgh

Going with my gut, but the implication that the scum PM was sent first had no real baring on the game and implied misdirection in my book.

Results will tell.

Neo? You agree or disagree?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:11 am 
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Wow...no pressure...

If Zinger is scum:
I'm naive
Shock is insane
KoD is sane
Argh is paranoid

If Argh is scum:
I'm naive
Shock is sane
KoD is paranoid
Zinger is insane.

Both are valid. From a pure mafia standpoint, I think Zinger is more likely to be scum.

With 4 left now, if we no lynch...

Down to 2-1 for the final day.
Clearly, I'd be left alive, as being naive shows that I won't get any information.
Shock would get killed, leaving us in the same situation that we have now. Me, not able to provide and information, and one of the 2 other players lying.

So, there's really no point in keeping this going another day.

I'm going to have to really think about this - I'll get my vote in at some point tomorrow, when I've had more time to review.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:21 am 
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Sure thing. I ought to do the same thing.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:17 pm 
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I have a bit of downtime with internet access, so I'll try to make some kind of final plea here.

Zinger is correct in stating that this is a ridiculous wifom situation. Which I was dumb enough to point out yesterday. Which means that anything I say about it can be taken both ways.

So instead we get to something else I spoke of yesterday: the need for actual scumhunting. I want to put together a comparison of my behavior day one with Zinger's, complete with arguments for why my behavior is more pro-town, but that could easily turn into more wifom. So I implore the town players to do that themselves instead.

And Shock, my accusation based on post timing was meant as a joke, and I never thought anyone took it seriously. Honestly, I only did it because it's easier to find a thread if I've posted in it, and that seemed like an appropriate piece of pre-game banter. Please don't make a stupid comment from before the beginning of the game be a deciding factor here.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:37 pm 
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Aaarrrgh wrote:
I want to put together a comparison of my behavior day one with Zinger's

:bored: Nice. Hit me below the belt. You know as well as everyone here that my job made it very difficult for me to keep up with/post on Day 1 at all. If you're trying to suggest I was lurking to gather information or something like that, the Town is smart enough to know the truth in that slander. Besides, I went MIA on a fire before we even started talking about claiming N0 results, and didn't come back until everyone had claimed theirs already.

How bout instead we analyze Day 2 behavior, where you didn't show up to the party until after everyone had claimed what their results were for last night, hmm?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:17 am 
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I just can't get passed my initial feelings that Zinger is the scum. Plus, it seems that it would help him more to remove KoD than it would help Argh...

So, thinking this out...if we no lynch today, likely, Shock or I would be killed, since it Zinger or Argh was killed, we would know who the scum is.

If Zinger is scum...
I'm naive, and I would expect Shock would get killed, as he might be insane, so we'd likely get no information.
If I was killed, Shock could check on Zinger, and we might get more info.

If Argh is scum...
Either I or Shock is sane, and if we both checked Argh, we could get some more info.

I'm going to Vote: No Lynch and see if we can get a tiny bit more info, as to confirm which is scum. Otherwise, I would just go with my gut and vote Zinger, which would put us in a 2-2 tie.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:58 pm 
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Zinger2099 wrote:
Aaarrrgh wrote:
I want to put together a comparison of my behavior day one with Zinger's

:bored: Nice. Hit me below the belt. You know as well as everyone here that my job made it very difficult for me to keep up with/post on Day 1 at all. If you're trying to suggest I was lurking to gather information or something like that, the Town is smart enough to know the truth in that slander. Besides, I went MIA on a fire before we even started talking about claiming N0 results, and didn't come back until everyone had claimed theirs already.

How bout instead we analyze Day 2 behavior, where you didn't show up to the party until after everyone had claimed what their results were for last night, hmm?


Sorry, I had actually not realized that you were fire fighting D1. I somehow missed that. That would indeed make for an unfair comparison. I do however have an equally valid reason for my D2 absence.

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So really there isn't enough to go on in either case. Although, there was no unsafe claim position D2. Because we already knew that the confirmed townies would have no new information. I just realized that that's why you killed KoD. So my late claim in insignificant.

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Points on Aaarrrgh: Makes a claim that the first to receive PM was Pokescum (implying me as such), then flips after edit claiming all cops received PMs and the Pokescum didn't. (Two red flags, one for shade on town, the second for lie).

Then finds it interesting that 15377 would make a claim that he would use villain teams for flavor, but doesn't claim a team.

Suggests claim order rules. Upset with KoD with going around them. Though backs off once explanation is given.

Points out three people giving one result on a player clearing the other two by way of one liar in pool. Does so before all claims are in.

Points out 3 scum results.

Claims possible deepest WIFOM strategy with zinger claiming scum result with 4 total scum result claims. And notes KoD on the list.

Last claim Day 2.
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Points on Zinger: Claims Mystic, but implies it's for out of game (Pokemon Go!)... Has a bit of WIFOM attached as it's brought up first by KoD.

Points out miller time use possible on Night 0 otherwise interrupting NK.

Last claim Day 1.

Did 15377 get the ventriloquist bit from zingers laughing parrot bit?
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Other than the bit on the Day claims, everything else seems to be possible information.

Now I just noted neither player claimed a team, so another point that is still in question. Either way, I still feel stronger toward Pokescum Aaarrrgh, but a stalemate won't get a lynch.

Vote: No Lynch

Let's see tomorrow.

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What? I never flipped on the PM order thing. I don't see how you got that idea. And I told you I didn't mean anything by that. It really was just a conversation starter until we could start playing the game for real.

And my comment about the villain fluff was fishing. I was also given a villain team (Team Rocket), so I figured everyone except scum might have gotten the same. So I made a cryptic comment to see if there would be discussion, and then completely forgot to follow up on it.

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Is the last Pokescum chatot?

...Urgh. Not sure if I should but the effect is likely the same and don't want to drag this out.

Vote: Zinger

Neo I hope you're right.

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Who's that pokescum?!?

Zinger. It was Zinger.

And so aaarrrgh and shock fight heartily over who actually caught the pokescum, only agreeing that it wasn't Neo. Huzzah!

This game was a bit lack luster, mostly because zinger had the misfortune of being the pokescum combined with what looks like multiple deployments during the game, which I think made it hard for him to get any gambits going since he tended to miss the action for the most part.

He did write KoD's death scene though, as that was the pm he sent in for his kill (minus the ventriloquist part since his pm just said "runs off laughing maniacally").

Yeah, so that was a thing.

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Yes! I'm so glad you were reasonable there, Shockwave!

Zinger really got a raw deal with the sane cop hitting him N0. He put in an admirable effort, though.

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Glad I was wrong about you Aargh. Good job all of you.

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Guess I was paranoid! *Starts playing Black Sabbath*

The flavor slip is where I started reversing things. Glad to also be wron for once!

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Awesome. I was pretty sure, just not quite sure enough to vote.

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...Wait. Insane.

*facepalms*

I'm still getting things wrong. So I'm insane, Aaarrrgh's paranoid, Neo is naive, and KoD is sane... What was your team again by the way KoD?

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Bah. Can't save the world from fire AND win at Mafia it seems. :-P

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