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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:00 pm 
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Defy Aether
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Exile target creature or creature spell. Its owner may play that card without paying its mana cost and as though it had flash until end of turn.


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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:26 pm 
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That's an odd typo, 'g' is nowhere near 'u' on the keyboard. /jk
In all seriousness, this is thoroughly blue, possibly white, and only green during planar chaos.

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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:55 pm 
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YingLung wrote:
That's an odd typo, 'g' is nowhere near 'u' on the keyboard. /jk
In all seriousness, this is thoroughly blue, possibly white, and only green during planar chaos.


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Maybe not too far off though.

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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:00 pm 
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This is just "exile target creature without flash" if you play it during your turn.


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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:27 pm 
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Shaz wrote:
This is just "exile target creature without flash" if you play it during your turn.


Might need to either be a creature you control or let opponents cast with flash. Even with flash added it still means they lose it if they can't afford it. Interesting removal, but maybe too strong at ?

EDIT: Oops, forgot it lets them skip cost. Reading going downhill as I get more tired.

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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:00 am 
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Lets them skip cost. Still, this is a complicated Autumn's Veil


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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:03 am 
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Flopfoot wrote:
Lets them skip cost. Still, this is a complicated Autumn's Veil


You can blink your creatures with it though. Useful in certain circumstances like etb.

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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:33 am 
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I'm sorry but any card beyond five years old has less value in anything about modern color pie, and anything beyond, like...I'll go Innistrad because we had a shift there with the looting, is totally meaningless. Also abilities which only affect your own stuff cannot be taken as examples it can be used to hit opponents and their stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:58 am 
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Like Shaz pointed out, mono-green exile removal of non-flash creatures. Wayyyy out of the color pie imo.

If it is counter target creature spell only, maybe it will become some kind of Savage Summoning.


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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:42 pm 
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My bad; forgot about not being to cast noninstants/nonflash on their opponent's turn . . . probably should have went with the original wording I had in mind:

Defy Aether -
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Choose one -
  • Target creature permanent you control becomes a spell.
  • Target creature spell you control becomes a permanent.

Might be white, but 'defying aether' seems more of green or red card to me.


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What's the point? This doesn't really feel like something that should exist.

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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
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My bad; forgot about not being to cast noninstants/nonflash on their opponent's turn . . . probably should have went with the original wording I had in mind:

Defy Aether -
Instant
Choose one -
  • Target creature permanent you control becomes a spell.
  • Target creature spell you control becomes a permanent.

Might be white, but 'defying aether' seems more of green or red card to me.

A more rules-friendly wording:

Defy Aether
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Choose one -
  • Put target creature you control from the battlefield onto the stack.
  • Put target creature spell you control onto the battlefield.

Referencing the stack is a bit weird, though, so maybe "You may cast target creature you control from the battlefield without paying its mana cost."

Technically, neither wording needs "from the battlefield", but it helps make it more clear that this doesn't let you target things in your hand.

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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:10 pm 
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My bad; forgot about not being to cast noninstants/nonflash on their opponent's turn . . . probably should have went with the original wording I had in mind:

Defy Aether -
Instant
Choose one -
  • Target creature permanent you control becomes a spell.
  • Target creature spell you control becomes a permanent.

Might be white, but 'defying aether' seems more of green or red card to me.

A more rules-friendly wording:

Defy Aether
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Choose one -
  • Put target creature you control from the battlefield onto the stack.
  • Put target creature spell you control onto the battlefield.

Referencing the stack is a bit weird, though, so maybe "You may cast target creature you control from the battlefield without paying its mana cost."

Technically, neither wording needs "from the battlefield", but it helps make it more clear that this doesn't let you target things in your hand.


I'm still not seeing why you're doing this. In order to bend this into green, you have to have an ugly wording.

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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:38 pm 
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1. This was the original intent; the design in the OP was an attempt to reconcile the original design without referencing the stack. I simply got greedy about having it as temporary removal that it didn't work as intended as Shaz pointed out.

2. Spell --> Permanent resolves the spell. May not be much different than 'can't be countered' but Unsubstantiate, Remand, Venser, Shaper Savant, Mindbreak Trap, etc. all get around uncounterability.

3. Likewise, Permanent --> Spell essentially recasts the creature in question. This is almost functionally identical to Momentary Blink, with two major caveats: when cast triggers such as on Eldrazi Titans occur a second time, and the spell itself can be countered. It also gets around Containment Priest effects as far as I am aware.


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 Post subject: Re: Defy Aether
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A mid-life color pie crisis.

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